XXX Church and The Gutter

The Gutter, by Craig GrossI recently read The Gutter: Where Life is Meant to be Lived. The basic message is that if you want to follow Jesus into the world, you better head for the gutter. This is so true. Jesus was, after all, a friend of sinners.

I was so impressed by this book, I got online to find out more about the author, Craig Gross.

I found that he is one of the co-founders of XXX Church, a ministry reaching out to those caught up in the sex industry. Whether you are a person addicted to pornography, a woman caught in prostitution, or anything in between, they want to help. Also, if you want to help keep yourself accountable when surfing the Internet, I recommend their free X3 Watch software.

If you like Craig’s book, you should also get Starving Jesus: Off the Pew, Into the World.


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  1. Mike Ellis, Church For Men Florida says

    I agree. If love the gutter you need to read Irresistible Revolution from Shain Clairborne. It will rock your world

    • says

      Shane Claiborne SO rocks. I’ll get to see him again at Audiofeed Music Festival this July ( http://www.audiofeedfestival.com/bandlineup ). He was actually booked for this MUSIC festival before any musicians or bands were booked. LOL. Unlike most people he didn’t have to die to become quotable. “Most good things have been said far too many times and just need to be lived.” ~Shane Claiborne
      All the love,
      Cindy

  2. says

    Mike,

    I’ll get it. Thanks for the recommendation. Keep up the good work there in Florida. I read your blog every day. Know anybody who wants to plant a church for men in Montana?

    Tia,

    I loved your post over at your blog, which began by telling us we’d missed the rapture. For those who want to see what she says, click on her name above…

  3. says

    Jeremy,

    “I’ll get it. Thanks for the recommendation. Keep up the good work there in Florida. I read your blog every day. Know anybody who wants to plant a church for men in Montana? ”

    This made me laugh as i was doing a solo church plant 2 years ago… now I am with a Vineyard plant here in Billings Mt…

    BTW, I have read only a couple of things here… and I really enjoy it! I shall be back… and I might add you to the ever growing blog roll!

    iggy

  4. michael says

    I saw these reprobates at a Wal-Mart in Massillon Ohio.
    when confronted with the Word of God they crumbled,,
    These Snakes have a SUV with “xxx church.com “and “no 1 internet Christian porn site” ,,painted all over it,,
    the bible says abstain from the appearance of all evil….. So what do these evil men do?
    They drag Jesus and the Holiness of Gods true church into the realm of smut.. They try and justify this
    Wickedness by saying look at the web site “this is not what we are really about“,, ( so why make a lie up )
    Or is their amusement trashing Jesus.. Its obvious the later…
    These false Christians tell lies to people to trick them into looking at their web site,,,
    scripture says all liars will have their place in the lake of fire and that the devil is the father of all lies..
    I asked these workers of iniquity if they commit sin,, they answered Yes almost daily,,, the Word says
    In ,1 john 3;8 he that commits sin is of the devil…. They have showed their true colors……
    Proud as peacocks they bragged about committing sinning and claimed to be born again and saved.
    Are they a sweet smelling savor in Gods nostrils? Driving around with XXX church and no 1 porn Christian website on their SUV ? Or rather a stench that smells and demeans the Holy sacrifice that Jesus suffered on the cross,, these wicked men attempt to make Jesus’ blood unholy..
    I told these scoffers to repent of this iniquity ,,God hates all workers of iniquity Psalms 5;5
    This is a example of the last days and proof of the hate reprobates have for God manifested in the flesh
    Jesus is God …..they have attempted to turned the love and grace of God into a lie…
    I saw many people who stood in sadness looking at the terrible words they painted on that SUV..
    is it loving Jesus driving around with “no 1 christian porn site in a SUV?

    MichaelMarkey@Yahoo.com

  5. says

    Michalemarkey,

    All I want to know is do you sin?

    1 John 1:8-10

    8. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

    Think about it. You seem to have only half the gospel and very little love for your bothers.

    iggy

  6. michael says

    telling people you have a No 1 christian porn site is wicked
    and trashing Jesus..whats next? Jesus is gay? to draw gays?
    Jesus is the King of porn? driving around in SUV with XXX church / No 1 Christian Porn site all over it is dragging Jesus into the gutter,, you people dont Love Jesus “YOU hate Him and His real Church.”
    we are not on the same team I dont team up with the devil.
    repent!

    born again Christians overcome sinning
    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

    I am born again and abide in Jesus
    michael

  7. says

    Michael,

    Again, all I want to know is do you sin?

    1 John 1:8-10

    Until you answer this I could care less what you think… right now you sound like you believe that we are saved by our own righteous works… and that is false teaching.

    Now be truthful… did you sin today? Yesterday?

    iggy

  8. michael says

    I answered,,, try reading slowly and think
    God might open your eyes…
    >I am born again…and I am abiding in Jesus…quote; we always sin and dont do righteousness,,<

    1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

    CAN you read?
    whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

    Is sinning doing righteousness?

    is sinning the power of satan?

    Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    you people have been decieved.. OPEN your eyes..

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    michael

  9. michael says

    I will answer again… think and read slowly
    ANSWER;
    I am born again and I am abiding in Jesus…

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

    PEOPLE WHO commit sin are of the devil…. read slowly and think..hopefuly God will open your eyes

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    people who claim to be christians and keep sinning are of the devil
    they will be sent to a devils hell…..

    people who drive around with No 1 Christian Porn and XXX church on a SUV
    and brag about sinning are wicked and Hate Jesus…

    michael

  10. says

    michael,

    I understand what it means to be “in Christ” yet you refuse to answer my question… so i assume you are saying you never sin…

    1 John 1: 8. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

    I see that the truth is not in you as you claim to be without sin… so let me tell you about the exchanged life. You are a sinner and cannot earn your own salvation and need to realize that your sins condemn you without the finished works of Jesus. If you claim as you have three times that you do not sin and are without sin, you are calling God a liar as the Bible states no one is righteous “not one!” that includes you and me and the xxxchurch.com guys. We all need the righteousness of Christ to be holy and righteous… and… have salvation.

    I see that you deny that you sin. That is the first step is realizing you are a sinner that needs grace as your works are not good enough. Jesus stated that ones righteousness must surpass the Pharisees and if you understand that, you must be at least as good as Jesus Himself as not one Pharisee was good enough!

    Now, we confess our sins in response to the kindness of God who sent His only Son, Jesus to save us. In doing that we place our trust in the Cross for forgiveness, and then we believe on Jesus that He rose from the grave and lives again… In that He imparts His Life into us and seals us with the Holy Spirit.

    But remember, first you must admit you are a sinner and need forgiveness.

    I hope you consider that you are a sinner.

    Now when you have done that you are immersed into the body of Christ and in Him there is no sin. We have no sin as we are in Christ and abide in Him… but still we sin. It is that we are now clothed in Christ that the Father no longer sees us, but only sees the perfection of Christ Jesus. We then become the righteousness of God in Christ as we are redeemed by love.

    All this is a response to God’s love. John 3; 16. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

    Note in that verse there is no condemnation? In fact as you judge and condemn others you usurp Jesus who did not even come to condemn and judge others, He came to save them. We now have the ministry of reconciliation and the old things are past… that means the law and all its glory is past the judgment and condemnation that came with it are past.

    Again, I hope you prayerfully consider that you are following the law and in that deny Jesus and His finished works… it is either Jesus and salvation or no salvation.

    I hope you also read this at least three times prayerfully before you give an answer back.

    Be Blessed,
    iggy

  11. michael says

    I cannot convey truth to a person who has been blinded ,as much as I would want too.
    2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    Read my words; I AM BORNAGAIN
    So you ask do you sin?…
    Answer is:
    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    You accuse me of following the Law,,quote; (you are following the law )
    that’s a lie!

    I am born again …not a sinner.

    You are the people who admit you keep sinning so look at the truth
    1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

    The sin you people keep committing is the curse that has you under the Law..
    Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    Your proud statement that your IN Christ and keep sinning is wicked and proof your of the devil.

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    God hates workers of iniquity and hypocrites tares all people who keep sinning
    And will take you liars and cast you into a devils hell… so repent…

    You say you have no sin and are liars because you keep sinning like the devil…
    1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    You say you have NO sin because God does not see it…you’re a liar..
    The Holy Ghost has Come!
    John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    Because you keep sinning and promote it with false doctrine your going to be destroyed with satan
    And His devils….
    You claim to have fellowship with Jesus but keep sinning
    1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
    And deny that the Blood cleanses sin instead you believe your covered and continue sinning
    1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    So you believe your walking in the light and sinning like the devil….and God approves….

    I will leave you with Peters words..
    This is what you people are,,,,,
    2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

    You curse the children with false doctrine…

  12. michael says

    also the Devil, “you serve” “loves you” for driving around with NO 1 Christian porn site on your SVU and XXX church ,
    and the devil loves all those blind reprobates who support you..,

    your bragging about sinning attempts to make Jesus’s blood unholy!

    repent ,,,God hates YOU!

    Psalms 5:4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
    Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

    God Hates Evil People.
    The most overlooked, avoided and denied attribute of God is His hatred of evil people. Don’t be deceived. Hatred of evil is a righteous attribute of God. Acceptance or accommodation of evil is an unrighteous attribute of Satan.
    One common phrase in Christian circles is the “unconditional love” of God. False teaching pastors tell unrepentant, unbelieving evil people that God loves them unconditionally. People with a prison ministry often tell inmates on death row that God loves them. People tell convicted rapists that God loves them. People tell homosexuals and lesbians that God loves them. They say that God hates the sin but loves the sinner. These statements are all false doctrines not supported by Scripture. You cannot understand the awesome love, grace, mercy and holiness of God while rejecting His jealousy, wrath, anger, hatred and justice.
    God’s love is absolutely conditional as clearly stated in the Bible.
    Hebrews 9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
    Hebrews 11:6 But without faith [it] [is] impossible to please [Him], for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and [that] He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
    God required the shedding of Jesus’ blood for the remission of mankind’s sin. God did not just willy-nilly forgive mankind as suggested in the blasphemous false doctrine of “unconditional love.” God requires faith in Him and faith in His Son. God’s love is very conditional. The awesome number of humanitarian projects of an atheist are worthless to God without faith in Him. A person cannot please God with good works, righteous living and giving to the poor without faith in Him. God requires faith. God hates the generous humanitarian who is an atheist. God loves mankind, not the individual sinner. Yet, while we were yet sinners God provided a way for us to have eternal life with Him. God requires faith.
    Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
    God certainly does hate. God hate those who are unrighteous as well. God does not love the sinner. God hates pride. God hates a liar. God hates a murderer. God hates a person who develops evil plans. God hates people who are swift to do evil. God hates a perjurer. God hates a person who tries to stir up discord among the true Body of Christ Christians. God hates divorce except for adultery. God does not love the evil person. God is not looking at the sin. He is looking at the person. The sin is not a separate entity apart from the sinner. The Bible shows throughout that God never separates the sinful person from the sin. Everyone will be held accountable and judged accordingly by a Holy God. The unconditional love of God does not exist. It is nonsense and false teaching. God’s rejection of sinful people runs throughout the Bible, from Genesis to the Lake of Fire in Revelation. God threw Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden. Jesus Christ will throw all unbelieving evil people into the Lake of Fire in the last days. Some of the many verses about God’s hatred of evil people are:
    Proverbs 6:16 These six [things] the Lord hates, Yes, seven [are] an abomination to Him: 17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, 19 A false witness [who] speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
    Psalms 5:4 For You [are] not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You. 5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity. 6 You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
    Psalms 11:5 The Lord tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates. 6 Upon the wicked He will rain coals; Fire and brimstone and a burning wind [Shall] [be] the portion of their cup. 7 For the Lord [is] righteous, He loves righteousness; His countenance beholds the upright.
    Psalms 45:6 Your throne, O God, [is] forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness [is] the scepter of Your kingdom. 7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness.
    Leviticus 20:23 `And you shall not walk in the statutes of the nation which I am casting out before you; for they commit all these things, and therefore I abhor them.
    Hosea 9:15 “All their wickedness [is] in Gilgal, For there I hated them. Because of the evil of their deeds I will drive them from My house; I will love them no more. All their princes [are] rebellious.
    Amos 6:8 The Lord God has sworn by Himself, The Lord God of hosts says: “I abhor the pride of Jacob, And hate his palaces; Therefore I will deliver up [the] city And all that is in it.
    Malachi 1:2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord. “Yet you say, `In what way have You loved us?’ [Was] not Esau Jacob’s brother?” Says the Lord. “Yet Jacob I have loved; 3 But Esau I have hated, And laid waste his mountains and his heritage.
    Malachi 2:16 “For the Lord God of Israel says That He hates divorce, For it covers one’s garment with violence,” Says the Lord of hosts. “Therefore take heed to your spirit, That you do not deal treacherously.” 17 You have wearied the Lord with your words; Yet you say, “In what way have we wearied [Him]?” In that you say, “Everyone who does evil [Is] good in the sight of the Lord, And He delights in them,” Or, “Where [is] the God of justice?”
    Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son [He] [says]: “Your throne, O God, [is] forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness [is] the scepter of Your Kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
    God hates people who worship other gods. God hates people who kill their sons and daughters. God hates the abortionist. God hates the mother and father of an aborted baby. God hates people who put to death the elderly before his natural death. God hates people who pervert justice or take a bribe. God will not acquit the wicked.
    Deuteronomy 12:31 “You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
    Deuteronomy 16:19 9 “You shall not pervert justice; you shall not show partiality, nor take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists the words of the righteous. 20 “You shall follow what is altogether just, that you may live and inherit the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
    Deuteronomy 16:22 “You shall not set up a sacred pillar, which the Lord your God hates (idol worship).
    Leviticus 18:21 `And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through [the] [fire] to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I [am] the Lord (child sacrifice to false gods).
    Nahum 1:3 The Lord [is] slow to anger and great in power, And will not at all acquit [the] [wicked].
    We are commanded to hate evil as God hates evil. God hates people with a perverse mouth.
    Psalms 97:10 You who love the Lord, hate evil!
    Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the Lord [is] to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate.
    People like to consider themselves to be more loving, more merciful and more forgiving than God. They love everyone no matter how evil the person may be. They will forgive a murderer. This attitude is pride, and God hates pride. God demands justice. Don’t be deceived. God loves the righteous person, but He hates the evil person. Acceptance or accommodation of evil as practiced by many people is an unrighteous attribute of Satan. These people are enemies of God.
    People consistently misunderstand and misuse John 3:16-21.
    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 “And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 “For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 “But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

  13. michael says

    dont hug devils who drive around in a SUV with No 1 Christian Porn site and XXX church painted on it, and brag about sinning…

  14. says

    Michael,

    Please tone down the hate speech.

    I understand the point you are trying to make and I agree with you that God hates sin, but there is a big difference between hating sin and hating the sinner. God loves all people, even the worst and most perverse of sinners. He does not love what we do when we sin, but He still loves us.

  15. michael says

    you people are the haters who promote driving around with XXXCHURCH and NO 1 Christian porn site on a SUV..

    WHEN someone tells you your evil,.. you cant stand it….

    WHEN YOU people teach others commiting sin is WHAT you do .
    and you claim to abide in JESUS ,, your liars who HATE Jesus..
    and everyone else…

    1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

  16. michael says

    you people try and make God accept your sinning with your decieving doctrine

    would Noah hang a banner out side the ark ?
    with smile God loves you on it?
    while noah watched them all drown?

  17. says

    Michael,

    Here is the huge point you are missing… I do not even own a SUV nor do I have xxxchurch.com on any of my vehicles… You are slandering me and do not even know me or what I do or know. Your hate blinds you such that you continue to slander me and others here who have nothing to do with xxxchurch.com other than I see them as a valid ministry that loves people in the Name of Jesus and frees them from the sin you hate so much.

    Before you say anything else realize you have sinned against me over and over with slander and false accusations. You continue to sprew hate at me as I shared the Gospel with you.

    I see that you seem to miss that you are sinning and slanderers will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

    You claim to be without sin, then accuse me of stating the truth that Jesus cleansed me of my sin… you attacked Jesus and called him a liar over His shed blood for me.

    Again, I asked you to read and pray before you give an answer. Instead you attacked and lied and slandered and falsely accused me and others with many things… you are a liar, slanderer and a false accuser. Good job, Satan is happy that you are doing his job.

    Repent, the Kingdom of God is near to you. God gives grace to the humble and resists the proud. Your pride has damaged you much so far here… show some humility and grace for a change.

    I still think you need a hug.

    iggy

  18. michael says

    again God has blinded your eyes,,,open them and repent

    quote you: (I see them as a valid ministry that loves
    people in the Name of Jesus and frees them from the sin you hate so
    much.)

    I Told those people in the SUV to repent and included people like YOU who support trashing Jesus

    what I said quote;\
    (also the Devil, “you serve” “loves you” for driving around with NO 1 Christian porn site on your SVU and XXX church ,
    and the devil loves all those blind reprobates who support you..,)

    if you drove the SUV or not you support trashing Jesus
    those reprobates stood and told people at walmart that Christian KEEP
    sinning ,,just like You do…

    if you Loved Jesus ,He would not have blinded you,,but since you reject the truth that Jesus has power over Satan and has the power to Keep people from falling ,,God gave you a delusion and it is damning you
    ….you are caught in the web of everywind of doctrine…

    Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

    read truth is Christians CAN stop sinning and walk in Holiness..
    and NOT fall…..
    Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

    but people under the power of Satan keep sinning and are NOT forgiven

    Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    so I am not suprized you hate me for telling the truth your people killed Jesus and hated Him first…

    when the man driving the SUV got in to drive away I saw the look in His eyes,, he would have loved to kill me and say he did God a service..

    driving around with No 1 christian porn site is a real work of satan
    the Devil loves making Christianity look evil and satan has his ministers
    teaching people they cannot stop sinning and will alway keep sinning..

  19. michael says

    so whats next? lover of God? will you support a SUV with
    Jesus is Gay.com to draw gays? how about Christs No 1 nude gay porn site.
    “you did it to His church why not Him?”

    you can tell the great whore and her whore houses your there to help free the gays and it draws them,,, sure you will recieve great support you might make a killing… then you can tell the gays ” God loves them and they will always keep sinning and are saved and born again….
    (you people are repusive)

    XXX church .com…. No 1 Christian porn site……

  20. michael says

    the “way of the master” is against XXX church’s dragging the church down and making it look bad, there is a blog on the way of the master,, radio where they say XXX church is real wrong..they show a video of XXXchurch’s porn puppet and a porn producer Ron Jeremy telling children at a grocery store porn is not for children but is for adults,,, this is abomination check it out.. http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1389981839&channel=1185329932 michaelmarkley@yahoo.com

  21. michael says

    even the 700 club is in on this supporting XXXchurch
    I rebuked Pat Roberson for supporting this evil…! he is wicked!

    on 700 club..

    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=6873303

    http://www.alittleleaven.com/2008/01/wally-the-weine.html
    Imagine showing up to church next sunday and finding a 30 foot high erect phallus on top of your church or in the church parking lot announcing a sermon series on Pornography. “Absurd and ridiculous”, you say. “No Christian Church or Ministry would ever resort to something as shameful as a giant phallus”, you say. Sadly, you’d be wrong. (Warning: Explicit Link)
    According to Wally’s Website:
    Mike and Craig of XXXchurch dreamed up the idea of Wally one afternoon in sunny southern California. XXXchurch exists to bring awareness, openness, accountability and recovery to the church, society and individuals in the issues of pornography and to begin to provide solutions through non-judgmental and creative means.

  22. michael says

    Hey ,, a 30 ft wally the wiener is not Christian,,its sick
    theses people are sick! ;;;; peter the porn puppet with Ron Jeremy telling children at a grocery porn is for adults is Sick..
    I really think Ron Jeremy is behind XXX church it is a stunt by Him like the tobacco companies anti smoking campains…
    I would not be surprised if Ron Jeremy started and Financed XXX Church.com
    michael

  23. Jason says

    Hi Michael,
    While I think I agree with you about ‘Wally The Weiner’, I definitely disagree with some of your theology.

    First of all your refusal to admit your own sin is a really just an indication that you are deceived.

    Second. When you attempted to say that he that is born of God cannot sin you are mixing up some important concepts about the duality of man. When we are born again our spirit, or inner man becomes perfect and incorruptible and therefore sinless before God because of the blood of Jesus. However our flesh and our will still fight against our spirit and God’s spirit and we all sin.

    So therefore when God says that he hates the workers of iniquity he is not talking about born again Christians. He is talking about those who are not saved and who have no desire to be saved.

    But let me say this also. I do somewhat agree with you that this XXX church or whatever has some very bad methods. I don’t approve of bringing the church into these places, or associating the name of Jesus with porn, and I dont approve of a 30 foot penis for the goal of evangelism.

    I think we need to find some middle ground between the sort of legalism that Michael portrays and the sort of carnality that XXX church indulges in. After all, the scriptures do say that friendship with this world is enmity with God. And I sincerely hope that all of here do not want anything close to enmity with God.

    ~God Bless

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