Comments for TILL HE COMES Blog http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog Living life on mission Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:03:33 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 Comment on Jesus Spoke in Parables… by The Teaching Method of Jesus | TILL HE COMES Blog http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/03/12/jesus-spoke-in-parables/comment-page-1/#comment-305036 The Teaching Method of Jesus | TILL HE COMES Blog Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:03:33 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=993#comment-305036 [...] Living life on mission « Jesus Spoke in Parables… [...] [...] Living life on mission « Jesus Spoke in Parables… [...]

]]> Comment on I Don’t Believe That God Exists Either by Anonymous http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2009/07/13/i-dont-believe-that-god-exists-either/comment-page-1/#comment-302635 Anonymous Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:07:19 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=796#comment-302635 in christ alone...my hope is found. in christ alone…my hope is found.

]]> Comment on Pressure to Sin by Jeremy Myers http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/02/24/pressure-to-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-301847 Jeremy Myers Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:36:22 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=979#comment-301847 Peter, I agree. I don't like the term "sin nature" as it is not really Biblical. I just struggle with how to understand what ways Jesus was different from us in regard to sin and flesh. Your explanation seems to deny that all are born sinners, and that original sin is passed down through Adam. If sin is only something we do, then doesn't that mean we are not sinful until we sin? How can we be born in sin, and what is the point of the virgin birth of Jesus, other than to be "miraculous"? I suppose it could be argued that the sinful stain was passed down through Adam, and therefore, Jesus didn't have this stain, but all this does is substitute one nonBiblical terminology for another (sinful stain vs. sinful nature). Maybe in the end, it doesn't really matter. Jesus never sinned. We do. So we need Him. End of story. Right? Peter,

I agree. I don’t like the term “sin nature” as it is not really Biblical. I just struggle with how to understand what ways Jesus was different from us in regard to sin and flesh. Your explanation seems to deny that all are born sinners, and that original sin is passed down through Adam.

If sin is only something we do, then doesn’t that mean we are not sinful until we sin? How can we be born in sin, and what is the point of the virgin birth of Jesus, other than to be “miraculous”?

I suppose it could be argued that the sinful stain was passed down through Adam, and therefore, Jesus didn’t have this stain, but all this does is substitute one nonBiblical terminology for another (sinful stain vs. sinful nature).

Maybe in the end, it doesn’t really matter. Jesus never sinned. We do. So we need Him. End of story. Right?

]]> Comment on Pressure to Sin by Peter Kirk http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/02/24/pressure-to-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-301796 Peter Kirk Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:55:10 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=979#comment-301796 I suppose I wouldn't talk in terms of a "sin nature". I know NIV etc use "sinful nature" instead of "flesh", but I think that is misleading. I see Romans 8:3 as teaching that Jesus had the same "flesh" as us, but only ours is "sinful". Sin is not part of our nature, it's something we do. Jesus had the same nature as us (as well as a divine nature), but he hadn't sinned. You might indeed say that our nature is corrupted by sin and his wasn't. But I think I would prefer to say that our nature, but not his, is stained by sin; it is not destroyed, just made ugly, irreversably - except of course by that best of all stain removers, the blood of Jesus. I suppose I wouldn’t talk in terms of a “sin nature”. I know NIV etc use “sinful nature” instead of “flesh”, but I think that is misleading. I see Romans 8:3 as teaching that Jesus had the same “flesh” as us, but only ours is “sinful”. Sin is not part of our nature, it’s something we do. Jesus had the same nature as us (as well as a divine nature), but he hadn’t sinned. You might indeed say that our nature is corrupted by sin and his wasn’t. But I think I would prefer to say that our nature, but not his, is stained by sin; it is not destroyed, just made ugly, irreversably – except of course by that best of all stain removers, the blood of Jesus.

]]> Comment on Finger Pointing by obknob http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/02/25/finger-pointing/comment-page-1/#comment-301780 obknob Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:48:38 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=981#comment-301780 very deep words, to combine karma with the rule of god, we shall not judge . very deep words, to combine karma with the rule of god, we shall not judge .

]]> Comment on Pressure to Sin by Jeremy Myers http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/02/24/pressure-to-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-301659 Jeremy Myers Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:36:46 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=979#comment-301659 Peter, Yes, I strugged with how to explain this without falling into some sort of dualism in Jesus or ourselves. If I understand you correctly, are you saying that Jesus had a "sin nature"? If so, how did He get it and what would be the point of the virgin birth? Romans 8:3 is definitely a verse I will have to look at more closely. I think that without a sin nature, Jesus is not less human than we are, but more. Sin has corrupted our "flesh" so that we are "less than human" or at least, "less than God intended us to be." Jesus was fully human because He was exactly as God intended Him to be: without sin. Peter,

Yes, I strugged with how to explain this without falling into some sort of dualism in Jesus or ourselves.

If I understand you correctly, are you saying that Jesus had a “sin nature”? If so, how did He get it and what would be the point of the virgin birth? Romans 8:3 is definitely a verse I will have to look at more closely.

I think that without a sin nature, Jesus is not less human than we are, but more. Sin has corrupted our “flesh” so that we are “less than human” or at least, “less than God intended us to be.” Jesus was fully human because He was exactly as God intended Him to be: without sin.

]]> Comment on Pressure to Sin by Peter Kirk http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/02/24/pressure-to-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-301613 Peter Kirk Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:47:29 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=979#comment-301613 Jeremy, I'm not sure I can agree with this, because it seems to drive a wedge between Jesus' humanity and ours. Hebrews 2:17 teaches that he was like us in every respect. See also Romans 8:3, where "in the likeness of sinful flesh" cannot simply mean that he looked like us. If he didn't truly have the same human nature as us, he didn't become human. But the biblical teaching is that he became just like us, that he differed from us only in that he did not actually commit any sin. It is I suppose a mystery why from childhood Jesus was able to resist temptation and we are not. (Did he never even sneak an extra cookie out of the jar, or whatever the equivalent was in his time?) It is certainly not because the temptation was less severe, as you rightly point out. But I don't think it was because he was not fully human, as you seem to suggest. Jeremy, I’m not sure I can agree with this, because it seems to drive a wedge between Jesus’ humanity and ours. Hebrews 2:17 teaches that he was like us in every respect. See also Romans 8:3, where “in the likeness of sinful flesh” cannot simply mean that he looked like us. If he didn’t truly have the same human nature as us, he didn’t become human. But the biblical teaching is that he became just like us, that he differed from us only in that he did not actually commit any sin.

It is I suppose a mystery why from childhood Jesus was able to resist temptation and we are not. (Did he never even sneak an extra cookie out of the jar, or whatever the equivalent was in his time?) It is certainly not because the temptation was less severe, as you rightly point out. But I don’t think it was because he was not fully human, as you seem to suggest.

]]> Comment on Pressure to Sin by Diane http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/02/24/pressure-to-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-301558 Diane Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:35:32 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=979#comment-301558 Hi Jeremy, This was really interesting. I have never heard it put quite that way before. Just like you brought out something different to help me understand Rom. 8:29-30, you helped me here, too. Thank you so much. Keep it coming~!!! All because of His wonderful grace, Diane :-) Hi Jeremy,

This was really interesting. I have never heard it put quite that way before. Just like you brought out something different to help me understand Rom. 8:29-30, you helped me here, too. Thank you so much. Keep it coming~!!!

All because of His wonderful grace,
Diane
:-)

]]> Comment on Satan the Bible Scholar by Jeremy Myers http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/02/20/satan-the-bible-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-301501 Jeremy Myers Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:18:21 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=977#comment-301501 Daniel, Good to hear from you. I wonder about you guys all the time. How's the new job going? Any kiddos yet? Send an email or message through Facebook if it's easier... Daniel,

Good to hear from you. I wonder about you guys all the time. How’s the new job going? Any kiddos yet? Send an email or message through Facebook if it’s easier…

]]> Comment on Satan the Bible Scholar by Daniel http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2010/02/20/satan-the-bible-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-301367 Daniel Wed, 24 Feb 2010 04:39:14 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=977#comment-301367 Great thoughts Jeremy. We tend to think that the more passages we can put in parentheses behind a theological arguments the more correct it is. i hope you and your family are doing well. every time i meet someone from montana, see pictures, or hear about it on the news, i think of you guys. what a sacrifice it was to move to dallas. montana is slowly moving to the top of our 'must visit before we die' list. i told jenn when i make my first million, i will buy a cabin there. Great thoughts Jeremy. We tend to think that the more passages we can put in parentheses behind a theological arguments the more correct it is.

i hope you and your family are doing well. every time i meet someone from montana, see pictures, or hear about it on the news, i think of you guys. what a sacrifice it was to move to dallas. montana is slowly moving to the top of our ‘must visit before we die’ list. i told jenn when i make my first million, i will buy a cabin there.

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