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		<title>By: enoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>enoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes! amen! i agree</description>
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		<title>By: Belonging before Believing &#124; TILL HE COMES Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/09/01/are-house-churches-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-97997</link>
		<dc:creator>Belonging before Believing &#124; TILL HE COMES Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Living life on mission    &#171; Are House Churches the Answer? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all comes down to love, doesn&#039;t it? Bullet is right. It&#039;s HARD. 

I&#039;ve been learning so much about love though. A relationship with God is embracing the love and acceptance he offers us freely; living in that love is what creates more love and spiritual fruits inside us and promotes that desire to express that love. All these conclusions come to naught though if I don&#039;t act upon them. I guess in regards to the question of &quot;church&quot;, the issue is not the form people gather in, but whether or not where they gather and the people they gather with forms a place - a community -  that equips them to love others; even - especially - those &quot;outside&quot; the church. You cannot find AGENDA within the context of God&#039;s love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all comes down to love, doesn&#8217;t it? Bullet is right. It&#8217;s HARD. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been learning so much about love though. A relationship with God is embracing the love and acceptance he offers us freely; living in that love is what creates more love and spiritual fruits inside us and promotes that desire to express that love. All these conclusions come to naught though if I don&#8217;t act upon them. I guess in regards to the question of &#8220;church&#8221;, the issue is not the form people gather in, but whether or not where they gather and the people they gather with forms a place &#8211; a community &#8211;  that equips them to love others; even &#8211; especially &#8211; those &#8220;outside&#8221; the church. You cannot find AGENDA within the context of God&#8217;s love.</p>
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		<title>By: bullet</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/09/01/are-house-churches-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-95503</link>
		<dc:creator>bullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you and your church are not loving, serving, spending time, and developing friendships with people who do not attend your church (and who may never come!), you are not acting as the Body of Christ.&lt;/i&gt;

But that&#039;s so haaard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you and your church are not loving, serving, spending time, and developing friendships with people who do not attend your church (and who may never come!), you are not acting as the Body of Christ.</i></p>
<p>But that&#8217;s so haaard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/09/01/are-house-churches-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-94092</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy,

I love your comment. All of you over at Doable Evangelism really embody this. I love this &quot;belonging before believing&quot; idea and have seen it all over the place in churches that are doing an excellent job in evangelism. I have seen it in house churches and even a few megachurches. I think my next blog post may be on this idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy,</p>
<p>I love your comment. All of you over at Doable Evangelism really embody this. I love this &#8220;belonging before believing&#8221; idea and have seen it all over the place in churches that are doing an excellent job in evangelism. I have seen it in house churches and even a few megachurches. I think my next blog post may be on this idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/09/01/are-house-churches-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-94090</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew C, 

Your are right. I have heard it said that &quot;We make our buildings, and then our buildings make us.&quot; This is definitely true of churches. The way we design church buildings make it impossible for every person to be involved, and continue to widen the unbiblical clergy-laity chasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew C, </p>
<p>Your are right. I have heard it said that &#8220;We make our buildings, and then our buildings make us.&#8221; This is definitely true of churches. The way we design church buildings make it impossible for every person to be involved, and continue to widen the unbiblical clergy-laity chasm.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Siever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evangelism is the theological elephant in the church&#039;s living room.  My friend Jim Henderson said that, and it&#039;s stuck with me since.  It won&#039;t go away, it is a HUGE problem for everyone, and nobody really wants to talk about it.  The very word conjures up vitriolic images in almost everyone&#039;s mind (c&#039;s and non-c&#039;s alike).  

What you are suggesting, if I am hearing you correctly, is that if we are to create a new form for &#039;church&#039;, it will only be worth doing if it means it brings people to faith in Christ (ie, it eventually quits stealing sheep from big churches and actually connects outsiders to Jesus).  And some version of evangelism will necessarily have to be part of that church culture for this to happen.  Noble idea.  Kind of biblical, too.

As you know, St. Patrick seemed to accomplish this by allowing outsiders to be part of his community life.  This was not the usual way the church did evangelism, but he allowed people to belong before they believed.  He just went into an area and considered everybody &quot;in&quot;.  You had to opt out to not be part of his community (this is where the &quot;parish&#039; idea got developed into it&#039;s modern understanding, and historically why some areas of the US still refer to geographic areas of their cities as &quot;parishes&quot;...if you live there, you&#039;re  part of the parish.)

What would a church look like if that were the strategy?  What would evangelism look like if people could actually belong before they believed?  I don&#039;t really have many answers here, just questions.  But I think we have much to learn from our fathers before us when it comes to this kind of issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evangelism is the theological elephant in the church&#8217;s living room.  My friend Jim Henderson said that, and it&#8217;s stuck with me since.  It won&#8217;t go away, it is a HUGE problem for everyone, and nobody really wants to talk about it.  The very word conjures up vitriolic images in almost everyone&#8217;s mind (c&#8217;s and non-c&#8217;s alike).  </p>
<p>What you are suggesting, if I am hearing you correctly, is that if we are to create a new form for &#8216;church&#8217;, it will only be worth doing if it means it brings people to faith in Christ (ie, it eventually quits stealing sheep from big churches and actually connects outsiders to Jesus).  And some version of evangelism will necessarily have to be part of that church culture for this to happen.  Noble idea.  Kind of biblical, too.</p>
<p>As you know, St. Patrick seemed to accomplish this by allowing outsiders to be part of his community life.  This was not the usual way the church did evangelism, but he allowed people to belong before they believed.  He just went into an area and considered everybody &#8220;in&#8221;.  You had to opt out to not be part of his community (this is where the &#8220;parish&#8217; idea got developed into it&#8217;s modern understanding, and historically why some areas of the US still refer to geographic areas of their cities as &#8220;parishes&#8221;&#8230;if you live there, you&#8217;re  part of the parish.)</p>
<p>What would a church look like if that were the strategy?  What would evangelism look like if people could actually belong before they believed?  I don&#8217;t really have many answers here, just questions.  But I think we have much to learn from our fathers before us when it comes to this kind of issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew C</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/09/01/are-house-churches-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-93773</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>House churches are not the ultimate answer- that answer is recovering a right understanding of what the church is.

However, where a church meets makes a huge difference to its ecclesial life and the argument for house churches has considerable merit in my judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>House churches are not the ultimate answer- that answer is recovering a right understanding of what the church is.</p>
<p>However, where a church meets makes a huge difference to its ecclesial life and the argument for house churches has considerable merit in my judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DZ, 

Honestly, if/when I plant a &quot;church&quot; it will probably look more like a house church than anything else. I do not desire to have a central building where all church activities are done. If possible, I would prefer that the church not pay my salary. I do want all people to participate by operating within their areas of giftedness. So I love the house church movement and am excited about where it is headed. 

So with that in mind, let me attempt to answer your question:

What surprised me most about the house church conference I attended were the people I talked to regarding their own house churches. Aside from one or two, the vast majority of these house churches sound almost identical to any other church, except they are much smaller, meet in a home, and don&#039;t have a pastor.

In general, it seems they still have a set time to meet once per week, and for 60-90 minutes. Like large churches, when house churches meet, they fellowship, sing a few songs, pray, have a time of Bible teaching, and finish up with a few &quot;reminders&quot; (aka announcements). Like many institutional churches, very few house churches seem to be doing a very good job serving others in the community, reaching out with love, or developing genuine relationships with people who are not believers. Aside from the house churches which were talked about and held up as models by the speakers, all the house church members I personally talked to had not seen a single &quot;convert&quot; in their house church during the past year. Like those in large churches, the house church members felt bad about this, but didn&#039;t know what to do about it. 

I am not trying to denigrate the house church movement. I think that they are right on target in a lot of areas, and have implemented solutions for a lot of problems in institutional churches. But until they (we?) figure out this “evangelism” thing (I’m only speaking of Western Christianity here), there is still a lot of reworking to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DZ, </p>
<p>Honestly, if/when I plant a &#8220;church&#8221; it will probably look more like a house church than anything else. I do not desire to have a central building where all church activities are done. If possible, I would prefer that the church not pay my salary. I do want all people to participate by operating within their areas of giftedness. So I love the house church movement and am excited about where it is headed. </p>
<p>So with that in mind, let me attempt to answer your question:</p>
<p>What surprised me most about the house church conference I attended were the people I talked to regarding their own house churches. Aside from one or two, the vast majority of these house churches sound almost identical to any other church, except they are much smaller, meet in a home, and don&#8217;t have a pastor.</p>
<p>In general, it seems they still have a set time to meet once per week, and for 60-90 minutes. Like large churches, when house churches meet, they fellowship, sing a few songs, pray, have a time of Bible teaching, and finish up with a few &#8220;reminders&#8221; (aka announcements). Like many institutional churches, very few house churches seem to be doing a very good job serving others in the community, reaching out with love, or developing genuine relationships with people who are not believers. Aside from the house churches which were talked about and held up as models by the speakers, all the house church members I personally talked to had not seen a single &#8220;convert&#8221; in their house church during the past year. Like those in large churches, the house church members felt bad about this, but didn&#8217;t know what to do about it. </p>
<p>I am not trying to denigrate the house church movement. I think that they are right on target in a lot of areas, and have implemented solutions for a lot of problems in institutional churches. But until they (we?) figure out this “evangelism” thing (I’m only speaking of Western Christianity here), there is still a lot of reworking to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: DZ Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>DZ Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeremy,

All should agree that Christ in the answer. Amen?

I&#039;m curious. What about this conference led you to your conclusion above? Negativity toward other Christians? Bad food? 

Barna&#039;s strange numbers are considered here:
http://www.housechurch.org/blog/category/barna/

DZA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeremy,</p>
<p>All should agree that Christ in the answer. Amen?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious. What about this conference led you to your conclusion above? Negativity toward other Christians? Bad food? </p>
<p>Barna&#8217;s strange numbers are considered here:<br />
<a href="http://www.housechurch.org/blog/category/barna/" rel="nofollow">http://www.housechurch.org/blog/category/barna/</a></p>
<p>DZA</p>
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