Comments on: Biggest Church Fad of All Time http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/ Living life on mission Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:07:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Michael Crane http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-49246 Michael Crane Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:52:06 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-49246 "A person or ministry who has all their “eggs in the basket,” and seems very orthodox, but is not in Christ, is infinitely worse off than someone who is a believer but is doing most everything wrong. Well that is my opinion." Well put Gary. If everything depends on a correct recitation of theology then it is no longer Christianity but gnosticism. Being "in Christ" is central. “A person or ministry who has all their “eggs in the basket,” and seems very orthodox, but is not in Christ, is infinitely worse off than someone who is a believer but is doing most everything wrong. Well that is my opinion.”

Well put Gary. If everything depends on a correct recitation of theology then it is no longer Christianity but gnosticism. Being “in Christ” is central.

]]> By: gary http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-49218 gary Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:56:18 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-49218 Every Church and ministry makes mistakes. No one is perfect. But the biggest mistake is the infinite one. All these various ministries may be dead wrong, or partly wrong, or mostly right, but what I see as the most important is whether one has even entered the door. If no one points out to these people that they have not believed the gospel, and hence don't have eternal life, that is what is tragic. From my experience, most will not receive it, but it is our duty to explain it to anyone who will listen. A person or ministry who has all their "eggs in the basket," and seems very orthodox, but is not in Christ, is infinitely worse off than someone who is a believer but is doing most everything wrong. Well that is my opinion. gary Every Church and ministry makes mistakes. No one is perfect. But the biggest mistake is the infinite one. All these various ministries may be dead wrong, or partly wrong, or mostly right, but what I see as the most important is whether one has even entered the door. If no one points out to these people that they have not believed the gospel, and hence don’t have eternal life, that is what is tragic. From my experience, most will not receive it, but it is our duty to explain it to anyone who will listen. A person or ministry who has all their “eggs in the basket,” and seems very orthodox, but is not in Christ, is infinitely worse off than someone who is a believer but is doing most everything wrong. Well that is my opinion.

gary

]]> By: Jeremy Myers http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-48382 Jeremy Myers Fri, 30 May 2008 12:54:49 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-48382 Michael, You are absolutely right. I have personally benefitted a lot from various discernment ministries, though sometimes I think they are a little "over the top." There are others, of course, who just accept everything, hook, line, and sinker. So we all need each other to help keep some balance! Thanks for the comment! Jeremy Michael,

You are absolutely right. I have personally benefitted a lot from various discernment ministries, though sometimes I think they are a little “over the top.” There are others, of course, who just accept everything, hook, line, and sinker. So we all need each other to help keep some balance!

Thanks for the comment!

Jeremy

]]> By: Matthew C http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-48226 Matthew C Fri, 30 May 2008 08:09:28 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-48226 I think it is vitally important to expose heresy in the church and I have posted links to discernment ministries. However, I think there is something utterly banal about the explosiion of discernment ministries. These ministries are continually harping about errors of various groups and invididuals, but seldom give us any positive Bible teaching. It is all well telling us what is wrong, but lets have some truth as well. I think discernment teaching ought to be solely handled by those who have a ministry (and I use this in a very flexible sense) of providing positive Bible teaching. Notice also that discernment ministries seldom tell us what churches they attend. One wonders if they are Ishmaels who are against every man. Every Blessing in Christ Matthew I think it is vitally important to expose heresy in the church and I have posted links to discernment ministries.

However, I think there is something utterly banal about the explosiion of discernment ministries.

These ministries are continually harping about errors of various groups and invididuals, but seldom give us any positive Bible teaching.

It is all well telling us what is wrong, but lets have some truth as well.

I think discernment teaching ought to be solely handled by those who have a ministry (and I use this in a very flexible sense) of providing positive Bible teaching.

Notice also that discernment ministries seldom tell us what churches they attend. One wonders if they are Ishmaels who are against every man.

Every Blessing in Christ

Matthew

]]> By: Jeremy Myers http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-46682 Jeremy Myers Tue, 27 May 2008 15:35:55 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-46682 Michael, Thanks for the comment and the posts you are making over at your own blog. I really liked the candy bar illustration of the gospel that you wrote about in your post today. Also, I wholeheartedly agreed with your statement that one area of underdeveloped theology in the west is that of the spirit world. I know that it is my weakest link. Keep the posts coming! Michael,

Thanks for the comment and the posts you are making over at your own blog. I really liked the candy bar illustration of the gospel that you wrote about in your post today. Also, I wholeheartedly agreed with your statement that one area of underdeveloped theology in the west is that of the spirit world. I know that it is my weakest link. Keep the posts coming!

]]> By: Jeremy Myers http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-46680 Jeremy Myers Tue, 27 May 2008 15:30:44 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-46680 Helen, You are right. It's all about balance. Thanks again for the note. Some things demand loving criticism and a gentle rebuke, while others we need to learn to just let go since "To your own Master, you stand or fall." I read your blog (and several others there at Off the Map) every day as well! Helen,

You are right. It’s all about balance. Thanks again for the note. Some things demand loving criticism and a gentle rebuke, while others we need to learn to just let go since “To your own Master, you stand or fall.” I read your blog (and several others there at Off the Map) every day as well!

]]> By: Jeremy Myers http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-46678 Jeremy Myers Tue, 27 May 2008 15:28:38 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-46678 Peter, I have been reading your blog for some time now through my bloglines. I am not sure how I first found you. I do like how you are handling the Lakeland revival. I am quite ignorant about what is going on there, so appreciate reading different blogs about the revival. Thanks! Peter,

I have been reading your blog for some time now through my bloglines. I am not sure how I first found you. I do like how you are handling the Lakeland revival. I am quite ignorant about what is going on there, so appreciate reading different blogs about the revival. Thanks!

]]> By: Michael Crane http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-46426 Michael Crane Tue, 27 May 2008 00:42:24 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-46426 Good post. You were able to articulate a disturbing trend without finger-pointing or slandering. The isolation of "truth" in the good news of Jesus has tainted the very essence of the good news. The good news of Jesus is not a mathematical equation, it is a radical newness of life busting at the seems with the love and grace and truth of God. Good post. You were able to articulate a disturbing trend without finger-pointing or slandering. The isolation of “truth” in the good news of Jesus has tainted the very essence of the good news. The good news of Jesus is not a mathematical equation, it is a radical newness of life busting at the seems with the love and grace and truth of God.

]]> By: Helen http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-46373 Helen Mon, 26 May 2008 22:59:23 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-46373 Thanks for the link, Jeremy. I think it's about balance - if you spent <strong>all</strong> your time criticizing others that would be a problem. But sharing your concerns sometimes isn't necessarily being overly judgmental or critical. It's just being honest and sharing what's on your heart. Thanks for the link, Jeremy.

I think it’s about balance - if you spent all your time criticizing others that would be a problem. But sharing your concerns sometimes isn’t necessarily being overly judgmental or critical. It’s just being honest and sharing what’s on your heart.

]]> By: Peter Kirk http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2008/05/26/biggest-church-fad-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-46194 Peter Kirk Mon, 26 May 2008 17:22:22 +0000 http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/?p=315#comment-46194 Thanks, Jeremy. I would add to the mix those who are critical, often based on no evidence or hearsay, of for example the Toronto blessing and the current Todd Bentley Lakeland outpouring <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?cat=41" rel="nofollow">I have written quite a lot about this</a>, and have been amazed by the negativity of so many of the comments I have received. Thanks, Jeremy. I would add to the mix those who are critical, often based on no evidence or hearsay, of for example the Toronto blessing and the current Todd Bentley Lakeland outpouring I have written quite a lot about this, and have been amazed by the negativity of so many of the comments I have received.

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