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		<title>By: anonymous.</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that your religion does not define who you are. I know many Christians who couldn&#039;t care less about anyone besides themselves, and I know just as many or more Christians who would do anything to end war and poverty if only they knew how.

I think that at the core of Christianity, and most major religions, is to love and respect your others, God and yourself, and all the rest is just to help understand and rules for people who don&#039;t know where to start. 

And there is an important point- belief is up to individual interpretation, and since God gave us free will and intelligent brains to chose our interpretation, it is up to us whether we take His will to mean that we must love and serve others or to mean that, for example, if you divorce or are homosexual you will burn in enternal anguish in Hell. Any of you readers may think this, but that is your interpretation and not mine and I do not mean to judge, merely observe.

This is why not every person of the same belief is the same- Muslims, Christians, Jews, agnostics, athelists, native spiritualists, Buddhists or whatever you are, you have an equal chance of being good or being bad. It is all in the choices you make, not where you life or which kind of church, mosque, etc., or lack of one, you attend.

Cheers, and I hope you can all gain something from this post, be it insight, another point of view or merely entertainment. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that your religion does not define who you are. I know many Christians who couldn&#8217;t care less about anyone besides themselves, and I know just as many or more Christians who would do anything to end war and poverty if only they knew how.</p>
<p>I think that at the core of Christianity, and most major religions, is to love and respect your others, God and yourself, and all the rest is just to help understand and rules for people who don&#8217;t know where to start. </p>
<p>And there is an important point- belief is up to individual interpretation, and since God gave us free will and intelligent brains to chose our interpretation, it is up to us whether we take His will to mean that we must love and serve others or to mean that, for example, if you divorce or are homosexual you will burn in enternal anguish in Hell. Any of you readers may think this, but that is your interpretation and not mine and I do not mean to judge, merely observe.</p>
<p>This is why not every person of the same belief is the same- Muslims, Christians, Jews, agnostics, athelists, native spiritualists, Buddhists or whatever you are, you have an equal chance of being good or being bad. It is all in the choices you make, not where you life or which kind of church, mosque, etc., or lack of one, you attend.</p>
<p>Cheers, and I hope you can all gain something from this post, be it insight, another point of view or merely entertainment. <img src='http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not read ALL the posts, but did anybody comment on where the term &quot;Christian&quot; came from?  LOL It was a term used to insult believers in Jesus&#039; day and literally means &quot;little Chirst&quot;  As in, &quot;Oh! Those silly people are being like jesus. what are they thinking?&quot; But you can see that this actually turned into a compliment.  SO, Jesus is WHAT a christian is. (Or what a Christian is supposed to be)  

Secondly, we can talk about &quot;the church&quot; and &quot;christians&quot; all we want BUT it is up to the individual to make a difference. complaining is not going to help. (exposure and education, yes. Complaining... no) Be the change you want to see.

 Also, the &quot;church&quot; and &quot;christians&quot; are not our example, JESUS is.  Don&#039;t blame Jesus for people&#039;s imperfections... Depend on him to help you love/serve/heal/grow and be what we are called to be... like Jesus. i.e. Christian  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not read ALL the posts, but did anybody comment on where the term &#8220;Christian&#8221; came from?  LOL It was a term used to insult believers in Jesus&#8217; day and literally means &#8220;little Chirst&#8221;  As in, &#8220;Oh! Those silly people are being like jesus. what are they thinking?&#8221; But you can see that this actually turned into a compliment.  SO, Jesus is WHAT a christian is. (Or what a Christian is supposed to be)  </p>
<p>Secondly, we can talk about &#8220;the church&#8221; and &#8220;christians&#8221; all we want BUT it is up to the individual to make a difference. complaining is not going to help. (exposure and education, yes. Complaining&#8230; no) Be the change you want to see.</p>
<p> Also, the &#8220;church&#8221; and &#8220;christians&#8221; are not our example, JESUS is.  Don&#8217;t blame Jesus for people&#8217;s imperfections&#8230; Depend on him to help you love/serve/heal/grow and be what we are called to be&#8230; like Jesus. i.e. Christian  <img src='http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: memama</title>
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		<dc:creator>memama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doing what you think is right&quot; is not the answer Jesus gave when he started his ministry. He told the crowd: &quot;I come to being the Truth&quot;. Each one of the above posts have some new age, fooled followers of: another &quot;jesus&quot;. Not The Jesus of Holy Scriptures&quot;. And someone who denys Jesus is Lord, and listen to doctrines of demons. And has a hardened heart against the things of God. Shows someone a YouTube video: which they say shows &quot;Christians&quot; not looking after the&quot; poor? I see ONLY the Christian Community under the mandates of Holy God , going into all the world to teach, and feed and comfort those in need. This &quot;comment&quot; from someone who already HATES the Face Of God! Shows a person who WANTS the message of Jesus Christ to be: untrue! And uses &quot;human works&quot; as a: gage! Holy Scipture and The Triune God, does not need people who hate them - telling others , who and who is not; A Christian. God looks on the Heart. And soul. And knows who are His. And he is telling us to look to His words(The Bible) for all spiritual source of Truth. Not &quot;human works&quot;. That comes after Salvation. And redemption. And repentance. And faith in The One True Living God!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doing what you think is right&#8221; is not the answer Jesus gave when he started his ministry. He told the crowd: &#8220;I come to being the Truth&#8221;. Each one of the above posts have some new age, fooled followers of: another &#8220;jesus&#8221;. Not The Jesus of Holy Scriptures&#8221;. And someone who denys Jesus is Lord, and listen to doctrines of demons. And has a hardened heart against the things of God. Shows someone a YouTube video: which they say shows &#8220;Christians&#8221; not looking after the&#8221; poor? I see ONLY the Christian Community under the mandates of Holy God , going into all the world to teach, and feed and comfort those in need. This &#8220;comment&#8221; from someone who already HATES the Face Of God! Shows a person who WANTS the message of Jesus Christ to be: untrue! And uses &#8220;human works&#8221; as a: gage! Holy Scipture and The Triune God, does not need people who hate them &#8211; telling others , who and who is not; A Christian. God looks on the Heart. And soul. And knows who are His. And he is telling us to look to His words(The Bible) for all spiritual source of Truth. Not &#8220;human works&#8221;. That comes after Salvation. And redemption. And repentance. And faith in The One True Living God!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus was not a Christian, but he did what he thought it was right and that is what counts for every mortal today&#039;s day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus was not a Christian, but he did what he thought it was right and that is what counts for every mortal today&#8217;s day.</p>
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		<title>By: Can I hear an Amen?!!! &#171; Post WCG Life and Theology</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/12/27/would-jesus-be-a-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-42526</link>
		<dc:creator>Can I hear an Amen?!!! &#171; Post WCG Life and Theology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From the blog &#8216;Til He Comes&#8221; at http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/12/27/would-jesus-be-a-christian/. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From the blog &#8216;Til He Comes&#8221; at <a href="http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/12/27/would-jesus-be-a-christian/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/12/27/would-jesus-be-a-christian/</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 06:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,  Thanks for the kind response.  I read back over my comments.  If I sounded harsh I apologize.  We&#039;re all in process.  I look forward to more lively discussion on relevant topics.  God bless,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,  Thanks for the kind response.  I read back over my comments.  If I sounded harsh I apologize.  We&#8217;re all in process.  I look forward to more lively discussion on relevant topics.  God bless,</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/12/27/would-jesus-be-a-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-14902</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, 

Thanks for the clarification. I think I completely agree with you. 

I may have strongly stated the case for social action, but this is only because for too many years, I have been too focused on head knowledge and learning the Bible and theology, and I feel that finally, my theology is starting to result in practice. Certain areas of my theology have been influential in getting me to this point, and this post is one way of showing one of those truths of theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. I think I completely agree with you. </p>
<p>I may have strongly stated the case for social action, but this is only because for too many years, I have been too focused on head knowledge and learning the Bible and theology, and I feel that finally, my theology is starting to result in practice. Certain areas of my theology have been influential in getting me to this point, and this post is one way of showing one of those truths of theology.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my comments I was referring to the original article &quot;Would Jesus be a Christian&quot;.  Balance is the key to understanding any of these issues.  It is always tempting to fall out of balance in order to make a point, and that (it seems to me) is what this article does.  I&#039;m certainly not saying that helping others is satanic.  That would be absurd, but what I am saying is that Satan uses this mentality to discourage people from investigating and or accepting Christianity as a viable personal relationship that really changes lives.  I m sure he would love nothing better than to spread the lie that christians are a bunch of petty academics splitting hairs while the world is going to hell in a hand basket.  No one (me included) would suggest (I hope) that Christianity should not produce works, but having said that it is important to understand that genuine (God ordained) works come from a persons view of God.  Understanding doctrine and theology is critically important to the growth of the church, and has been under attack these past few decades as being divisive and damaging and anti productive.  This attitude lends itself to the passivity and apathy within the modern evangelical church.  The church is desperate for men and women leaders who are doctrincally sound and tuned into the culture.  In short, works is not a good theology, but sound theology is never devoid of good works.  Just as a closing note, I&#039;ve read much of C H Mackintosh&#039;s materials online and have some in print.  He was an amazing man mightily used of God and I look forward someday to sitting down with him myself and discussing a few things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my comments I was referring to the original article &#8220;Would Jesus be a Christian&#8221;.  Balance is the key to understanding any of these issues.  It is always tempting to fall out of balance in order to make a point, and that (it seems to me) is what this article does.  I&#8217;m certainly not saying that helping others is satanic.  That would be absurd, but what I am saying is that Satan uses this mentality to discourage people from investigating and or accepting Christianity as a viable personal relationship that really changes lives.  I m sure he would love nothing better than to spread the lie that christians are a bunch of petty academics splitting hairs while the world is going to hell in a hand basket.  No one (me included) would suggest (I hope) that Christianity should not produce works, but having said that it is important to understand that genuine (God ordained) works come from a persons view of God.  Understanding doctrine and theology is critically important to the growth of the church, and has been under attack these past few decades as being divisive and damaging and anti productive.  This attitude lends itself to the passivity and apathy within the modern evangelical church.  The church is desperate for men and women leaders who are doctrincally sound and tuned into the culture.  In short, works is not a good theology, but sound theology is never devoid of good works.  Just as a closing note, I&#8217;ve read much of C H Mackintosh&#8217;s materials online and have some in print.  He was an amazing man mightily used of God and I look forward someday to sitting down with him myself and discussing a few things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...a wide variety of responses to this post...

Matthew C: Who is the female unbeliever you are referring to? The friend I referred to in my post is male. Are you referring to Tia? What gives you the impression she is an unbeliever? Nevertheless, you raise a good question that needs to be asked of all critics of Christianity. Of course, we are the ones who claim to be following Jesus, not they. So it seems like we are the ones who have more responsibility to serve. 

Jim: Thanks for the quote from Mackintosh. I have that volume and have enjoyed reading from it over the years. 

Mike: Excellent summary. I checked out your blog. It looks like you are a pastor. Are you finding the people of your church willing to reach out with love? What has been effective? 

Mark: I&#039;m not sure if you were commenting about my post or someone&#039;s  comment. Either way, none of us said that the church is not helping the poor. Furthermore, none of us are saying that we need to neglect theology. The quote from Mackintosh comes the closest to saying that, and if you think that is what he is saying, you should get his book and read it. It&#039;s pure theology. Finally, are you really saying that serving and loving others is a work of Satan--a diversion from dealing with our relationship with God and provides an excuse for selfish living? I am fully persuaded that one doesn&#039;t really have an intimate relationship with God UNLESS they are serving and loving others. What good is all the theology in all the books in all the libraries of the world if it doesn&#039;t cause a person to provide food and clothing for the hungry and naked (James 2:14-26)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;a wide variety of responses to this post&#8230;</p>
<p>Matthew C: Who is the female unbeliever you are referring to? The friend I referred to in my post is male. Are you referring to Tia? What gives you the impression she is an unbeliever? Nevertheless, you raise a good question that needs to be asked of all critics of Christianity. Of course, we are the ones who claim to be following Jesus, not they. So it seems like we are the ones who have more responsibility to serve. </p>
<p>Jim: Thanks for the quote from Mackintosh. I have that volume and have enjoyed reading from it over the years. </p>
<p>Mike: Excellent summary. I checked out your blog. It looks like you are a pastor. Are you finding the people of your church willing to reach out with love? What has been effective? </p>
<p>Mark: I&#8217;m not sure if you were commenting about my post or someone&#8217;s  comment. Either way, none of us said that the church is not helping the poor. Furthermore, none of us are saying that we need to neglect theology. The quote from Mackintosh comes the closest to saying that, and if you think that is what he is saying, you should get his book and read it. It&#8217;s pure theology. Finally, are you really saying that serving and loving others is a work of Satan&#8211;a diversion from dealing with our relationship with God and provides an excuse for selfish living? I am fully persuaded that one doesn&#8217;t really have an intimate relationship with God UNLESS they are serving and loving others. What good is all the theology in all the books in all the libraries of the world if it doesn&#8217;t cause a person to provide food and clothing for the hungry and naked (James 2:14-26)?</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think for a minute that the church isn&#039;t helping the poor.  I know many who do so, and don&#039;t go around trying to be noticed for doing it.  By far the majority of people doing benevolence in the world today come from some form of Christianity.  Arguments within the church are a product of the falleness of man and the determination of Satan to neutralize the effects of the church by promoting just this kind of dribble.  Conflict is a necessary part of purifying and defining theology.  There is a move afloat to denounce theology, but theology is what moves us.  We all operate withing the confines of our view of God (theology).  We all have one, and since we do, it does us well to define it and make certain it is in alignment with the bible.  This sort of nonsense is always a diversion to dealing with your own relationship with God and following your own selfish motives for living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think for a minute that the church isn&#8217;t helping the poor.  I know many who do so, and don&#8217;t go around trying to be noticed for doing it.  By far the majority of people doing benevolence in the world today come from some form of Christianity.  Arguments within the church are a product of the falleness of man and the determination of Satan to neutralize the effects of the church by promoting just this kind of dribble.  Conflict is a necessary part of purifying and defining theology.  There is a move afloat to denounce theology, but theology is what moves us.  We all operate withing the confines of our view of God (theology).  We all have one, and since we do, it does us well to define it and make certain it is in alignment with the bible.  This sort of nonsense is always a diversion to dealing with your own relationship with God and following your own selfish motives for living.</p>
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