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	<title>Comments on: She Believed in the Resurrection of Jesus&#8230;Kind of</title>
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	<description>Living life on mission</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-4134</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, 

Well put. Concise and clear. It looks like you all had effective and fruitful ministry in India!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, </p>
<p>Well put. Concise and clear. It looks like you all had effective and fruitful ministry in India!</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-4105</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in John 3:16.  I share the death and ressurection when I evangelize, but people can come to faith with out understanding or believing every truth in the N.T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in John 3:16.  I share the death and ressurection when I evangelize, but people can come to faith with out understanding or believing every truth in the N.T.</p>
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		<title>By: TILL HE COMES Blog &#187; FGA Conference Panel Discussions</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-3330</link>
		<dc:creator>TILL HE COMES Blog &#187; FGA Conference Panel Discussions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So apparently, there are people who believe in Jesus, and lots of correct things about Him, but don&#8217;t have all their theological ducks in a row, but who are still considered by Biblical authors to be regenerate. I think it is possible there are people in the same category today. I may have talked with one a few weeks ago, which I mentioned in a previous post.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So apparently, there are people who believe in Jesus, and lots of correct things about Him, but don&#8217;t have all their theological ducks in a row, but who are still considered by Biblical authors to be regenerate. I think it is possible there are people in the same category today. I may have talked with one a few weeks ago, which I mentioned in a previous post.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-3023</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, 

Thanks for the comment. You are absolutely right on about the content and result of faith in Jesus, and you analysis of Lordship salvation is correct as well. 

It seems strange to me that some people can criticize Lordship Salvation for having moral requirements to prove a person is saved, but then turn around and say there are certain ongoing doctrinal requirements. 

I talked about this woman to a professor from DTS last week, and he told me that that while a person doesn't have to know, understand, or believe in the resurrection (his own future resurrection or the past, historical resurrection of Jesus) to receive eternal life, if they reject that truth later when they are told about it, this proves they weren't really "saved" in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, </p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. You are absolutely right on about the content and result of faith in Jesus, and you analysis of Lordship salvation is correct as well. </p>
<p>It seems strange to me that some people can criticize Lordship Salvation for having moral requirements to prove a person is saved, but then turn around and say there are certain ongoing doctrinal requirements. </p>
<p>I talked about this woman to a professor from DTS last week, and he told me that that while a person doesn&#8217;t have to know, understand, or believe in the resurrection (his own future resurrection or the past, historical resurrection of Jesus) to receive eternal life, if they reject that truth later when they are told about it, this proves they weren&#8217;t really &#8220;saved&#8221; in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-3002</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how much ‘correct’ theology do you have to have to be saved?” 

John 6:40
40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." 

 ... thats it, beyond that, human speculation , legalism and judgementalism
take over. in oprder to accept the lordship position, you must disregard volumes of scripture

Are the Lordship people saved? 

very likely, but who are we to make that judgement. although they may be right with some of their conclusions. there is no grace and no assurance with their theology. who with the lordship position can ever know that they have a personal relationship with christ and can stand on his promises of the certainty of salvation and eternal life. with lordship, we are but one sin away from negating the assurance jesus promises.
bob west</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how much ‘correct’ theology do you have to have to be saved?” </p>
<p>John 6:40<br />
40 For my Father&#8217;s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.&#8221; </p>
<p> &#8230; thats it, beyond that, human speculation , legalism and judgementalism<br />
take over. in oprder to accept the lordship position, you must disregard volumes of scripture</p>
<p>Are the Lordship people saved? </p>
<p>very likely, but who are we to make that judgement. although they may be right with some of their conclusions. there is no grace and no assurance with their theology. who with the lordship position can ever know that they have a personal relationship with christ and can stand on his promises of the certainty of salvation and eternal life. with lordship, we are but one sin away from negating the assurance jesus promises.<br />
bob west</p>
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		<title>By: drotsap</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-2279</link>
		<dc:creator>drotsap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 06:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Jeremy! 

My mom is 65 years old. She's uneducated and she's a very simple woman. If you were to ask her if she believes in Jesus as her Savior, she would say "absolutely yes!" Beyond that, she couldn't tell you Paul from Peter.  

I guess my question is "how much 'correct' theology do you have to have to be saved?" Are the Lordship people saved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Jeremy! </p>
<p>My mom is 65 years old. She&#8217;s uneducated and she&#8217;s a very simple woman. If you were to ask her if she believes in Jesus as her Savior, she would say &#8220;absolutely yes!&#8221; Beyond that, she couldn&#8217;t tell you Paul from Peter.  </p>
<p>I guess my question is &#8220;how much &#8216;correct&#8217; theology do you have to have to be saved?&#8221; Are the Lordship people saved?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-2177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, 

800-1000 words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, </p>
<p>800-1000 words.</p>
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		<title>By: freegraceguy</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-2175</link>
		<dc:creator>freegraceguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,

Thanks for the encouragement.  How long do the newletter articles have to be?  I'd love to expand on it.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>Thanks for the encouragement.  How long do the newletter articles have to be?  I&#8217;d love to expand on it.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-2165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, 

First, all analogies are easy to tear apart. Even the ones Jesus and Paul use. That's part of the nature of analogies. 

Second, are you saying that anyone who claims to get their beliefs from Scripture must therefore be right? I don't know anybody in "Christianity" who doesn't claim that. 

Third, who are these "Traditional Free Grace" people you refer to? 

Finally, let's get's back on topic. Are you saying the woman I talked to does not have eternal life because she believed in some "philosophical Jesus"?

Jeremy

P.S. Are you "Greg S."? If so, and if you choose to reply, please continue to keep your comments civil and concise. So far, you have done well here, but I have seen a "Greg S." on some other blogs who got out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, </p>
<p>First, all analogies are easy to tear apart. Even the ones Jesus and Paul use. That&#8217;s part of the nature of analogies. </p>
<p>Second, are you saying that anyone who claims to get their beliefs from Scripture must therefore be right? I don&#8217;t know anybody in &#8220;Christianity&#8221; who doesn&#8217;t claim that. </p>
<p>Third, who are these &#8220;Traditional Free Grace&#8221; people you refer to? </p>
<p>Finally, let&#8217;s get&#8217;s back on topic. Are you saying the woman I talked to does not have eternal life because she believed in some &#8220;philosophical Jesus&#8221;?</p>
<p>Jeremy</p>
<p>P.S. Are you &#8220;Greg S.&#8221;? If so, and if you choose to reply, please continue to keep your comments civil and concise. So far, you have done well here, but I have seen a &#8220;Greg S.&#8221; on some other blogs who got out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.tillhecomes.org/blog/2007/10/01/she-believed-in-the-resurrection-of-jesuskind-of/#comment-2152</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be easy to tear apart Tom's analogy. The problem with those holding the traditional Free Grace position is not that they confuse the "who" with the "how" but that they arrive at their view from the Scripture rather than philosophy and man-made paradigms. -- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be easy to tear apart Tom&#8217;s analogy. The problem with those holding the traditional Free Grace position is not that they confuse the &#8220;who&#8221; with the &#8220;how&#8221; but that they arrive at their view from the Scripture rather than philosophy and man-made paradigms. &#8212; Greg</p>
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