Is Church Possible without Baptism and Communion?



Can church exist without baptism and communion?

The quick answer is, “Sure. Why not?”

The long answer will take several posts.

Let’s begin with the negative: Neither baptism nor communion are necessary for the existence and life of the church.

Saying such a thing will probably alarm many Christians.

If you tell people that they don’t need church buildings and pastors to be the church, and most will shrug their shoulders and say, “Fine. However you want to do church…”

Give up Your Rites

But when you say that baptism and communion are also not necessary, it is then that people start to feel threatened. These, after all, are marks of the true Christian! These are commanded by Jesus Himself! Baptism is the first step of discipleship! Communion (or the Eucharist) summarizes and encompasses everything important about Christian faith and practice! If you throw these out, you are no longer a Christian. You are playing with people’s eternal destinies!

It turns out that even among the most non-religious followers of Jesus, baptism and communion are non-negotiable. These two ceremonies are off the table, beyond discussion, unassailable, and untouchable. To question or challenge them is to question and challenge the bedrock of Christianity.

Ask Your Pastor

Want a fun experiment?

baptism necessaryGo in next Sunday to your pastor and tell him that you have been doing some evangelism at work, and several people have gotten saved. Your pastor will most likely congratulate you, and encourage you to continue your efforts. Then tell your pastor that some of these new converts asked about getting baptized, and you told them that it was not necessary. The response will be somewhere between confusion and disappointment to shock and outrage. You will also get buried with a flurry of Bible verses which command believers to get baptized.

communion necessaryOr go into your pastor’s office next week and tell him that the church should stop offering communion every month (or however often you do it). Tell him that you think communion is a waste of time and money. Then step back and see what he says. Once again (and depending on your church’s view of communion), you will get a quick theology lesson about the commands to observe the Lord’s Supper and how such a practice is necessary for the life and vitality of the church. You may even be encouraged to reconsider your views on this subject, or reconsider your membership within the church.

Holy Baptism and Holy Communion

Maybe this is overstating the case, but it really does seem that in most churches, you can question and challenge almost anything, except the practices of baptism and communion. But as we will see in the chapter below, the way these ceremonies are conducted today borders more on the magical and arcane than on the way originally practiced or commanded by Jesus. And when we understand how and why Jesus and the early church practiced baptism and communion, we will see that such practices are not required or necessary today.

There are, however, helpful alternatives which seem to fit better with the original intent and purpose of baptism and communion, and which will be recommended and suggested in later posts.

What do you think? Can we get rid of baptism and communion as regularly practiced and still be the church? Can we still be an obedient church? Why or why not?


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  • http://twitter.com/#!/ChuckMcKnight Chuck McKnight

    I usually very much agree with what you have to say on your blog; however, I find myself quite perplexed at this one. Everything I see in the Scriptures seems to pretty clearly command both baptism and partaking in the Lord’s Supper for believers. To not do so would not in any way negate one’s salvation; however, it would seem to be an act of disobedience. However, I have no idea where you’re going with this, so I suppose I’ll reserve judgement until I can see what it is you’re really getting at.

    Hmm, I used “however” quite a lot there.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Chuck,

      Hang in there with me! I will try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater (or baptism water) on this one! As we progress in the series, let me know what you think.

  • http://www.graceground.com Sam

    Aren’t you kinda poking your nose into the holy of holies here? Next you’ll be telling us the ark just has an old stick in it instead of a pile of gold.

    Unfortunately, even though baptism and communion can be very, very meaningful to believers, in many cases they have lost much of that meaning.

    Baptism is a mere formality in some churches. In others an initiation rite. In many, it is a generator of statistics for the denomination, a bragging point. (As in “We had 37 baptisms last year”) For some, the act of baptism itself is what “saves”. (Although I have heard a few people say that it was in the moment of baptism that they first believed. Of course I wondered why they agreed to be baptized in the first place if they did not believe.)

    Communion can become another ritual that is somehow supposed to appease God and make up for the bad stuff we did during the week.

    Yes, baptism and communion can resemble magic rites, almost as if we wear certain articles of clothing, use certain substances, say certain words and so on, something magic will happen.

    However, they can also be so much more.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Sam,

      We are thinking along the exact same lines here. These traditions can be so much more, and I will try to suggest a few ways to accomplish this in future posts.

  • http://www.ryanpeterwrites.com Ryan Peter

    Before even getting into the baptism and communion thing, I would look at this line:

    “If you tell people that they don’t need church buildings and pastors to be the church, and most will shrug their shoulders and say, “Fine. However you want to do church…” ”

    I don’t know if most people would. Pastoral ministry is integral to the church. More than baptism and communion (which can’t really happen without pastoral ministry).

    If by pastors you mean a priesthood of sorts, then that’s a bit of a different story. But the pastoral ministry is integral.

    As to baptism and communion, just because these two are probably non-negotiable doesn’t make them wrong. It might not make them right either, but it certainly doesn’t make them wrong. I can’t see any scriptural reason to abandon them tbh.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Ryan,

      I might have overstated my case about “most” people. It is just becoming more and more popular to meet in homes or coffee shops, and to not have any paid clergy. That is what I meant when I referred to buildings and pastors. But even churches that do not have buildings and paid pastors still practice baptism and the Lord’s supper.

      Anyway, stick with me through this. I think that in “killing” baptism and the Lord’s Supper, we can look to Scripture for their resurrection in our own day and time.

  • Kirk

    I was never baptized and I haven’t taken communion for a long time since I don’t go to a church. These rituals have lost their meaning and I don’t think Jesus would really care if you do them. If you do it is a great statement of faith (for some) but there are many ways to show your faith. I think he would be more worried about what you are doing to help others than if you were dunked in a pool or ate a piece of bread with some grape juice every week.

    *Cue people who will judge me and point to an out of context Bible verse that doesn’t apply to us*

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Very interesting! How long has it been, would you say?

      • Kirk

        Probably 2 years?

  • http://www,douglasrea.com Doug Rea

    I agree 100% and I am looking forward to reading your posts as you work through the Bible on it – assuming you plan too.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Doug,

      Yes, that is what I will do. I am not sure I can deal with every Scripture passage on the topics, but will try to look at the key texts.

  • Gigi

    Complety disagree with the author of this article. I am not a Scholar by any means nor a religious person but the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ is precious to many despite its many errors. In the same maner I would think a bit longer before diminishing the rol of pastoral ministries not to mention the commandment of baptism and the most beautiful practice of remember Christ sacrifice through communion.
    Teachers will instruct a stricter judgment and I regard you as one. Let’s see how will you change this warning to justify these doctrinal blunders so some can feel good about their lookwarm faith (as one of the fellow commentators above) while misguiding others.

    • Kirk

      *ding ding ding* And we have a winner!!!!

      Congrats!!!!! thank you for proving the point!

      by the way it’s LUKEWARM not lookwarm. Get your insults right!

      I suppose if I would just dunk my head in some water I’d be A-okay.

      Jeremy is spot on with this post and I look forward to seeing the next one.

      • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

        ;)

        My wife loves all your comments! But I’m not jealous.

        • Kirk

          haha thanks!

          ;D

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Gigi,

      I understand the disagreement. Ten years ago, I would have said much the same thing.

      But do me a favor and stick around through the series on baptism and the Lord’s Supper and let me know what you think as we progress through the discussion.

      • http://wendell-ferrell.blogspot.com Wendell Lee Ferrell

        VERY INTERESTING QUESTIONS! Here is something else that I think we need to think about: “Should a church be incorperated?” IF a church IS, is it not then a STATE CHURCH WITH THE STATE AS ITS LORD & NOT JESUS?

  • http://www.abnormalreaction.wordpress.com Swanny

    There are order of realities.

    And any man-made rule that says we must be dunked to become a member of the local church or for our salvation, or to eat wafers and grape juice in remembrance of Christ is a second order reality. It is debatable, and no one truly knows the answer. This is where people need to learn to agree to disagree in love.

    The first order reality is Christ. Christ is not a debatable subject. He either IS or IS NOT. Therefore, the church is possible without all the second order realities, because Christ IS the Church.. and He exists.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Brian,

      Good points. I didn’t quite think of it in this way, but you are right. Even if I end up being wrong, or people disagree, we can still all agree (I hope) on the primarily reality of Jesus Christ.

  • http://www.mopcolorado.blogspot.com FedExMOP

    Jeremy,

    I guess things have been a little uncontroversial for a while. This has all the earmarks of a hornets nest and you are poking it with a big stick. (I love you man).

    Yes, THE Church does exist outside of buildings, and pastoral ministry happens, often carried out by people with no title at all. I have been baptized both in a building in a formal ceremony, and by being spit on while standing between a group of “Christians” and a gay person(to be fair, they were trying to spit on the gay person). I have held comunion in a building with juice and crackers, and under a bridge sharing coffee with a group of homeless men.

    I think that all of these things are part of THE Church, but we have given so much unbiblical meaning to positions and titles and buildings and programs and rituals that we usually get the REAL church confused with a corporation that just happens to share a common name.

    Your Friend and Brother,
    FedEx,
    President,
    Men of Praise Motorcycle Ministry

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      It is a hornet’s nest for sure. I think that of all the chapters in the book which I have written so far, this one will prove to be the most controversial.

  • http://TacosMediaMarketing.Com Taco Verhoef

    Hey Jeremy,

    Interested in how this will continue. I know that the Salvation Army don’t use baptism and communion in there church services, but they do have other strange habits that I don’t get.
    Also I think it is okay to do both and it does not matter much in what way you do it. I had communion with cake and coca cola. And baptism can take place everywhere, just like spirit baptism can take place everywhere. You sure have a lot of reply’s on this one, so you can see what stirs up peeps ;-)

    Waiting for the following blogs on this one.

    Taco Verhoef
    Nameless leader in Christ.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Taco,

      I did not know this about the salvation army.

      And cake and cocoa, huh? Wow. I was at a church a while back that did a baptism by running people through a water sprinkler out on the front lawn, and did communion with doughnuts and coffee.

      The wide diversity on how people do baptism and the Lord’s supper show that there is room for discussion here.

  • http://www.wantonsoul.com Nowhere Man

    I fail to see why a few cult-like ceremonies should separate someone from this deity.. especially one that is supposed to love everybody regardless. People should be free to practice this religion in a way that they are comfortable with, free of these activities that are mostly forced upon them by the Church anyway. Good article. It’s nice to see that there are actually some Christians out there that are able to think outside the box.

    • Kirk

      They really are few and far between on many issues. Some people seem to forget that human beings were given the gifts of logic and reasoning! Instead they rely on human created doctrine or what they hear from the pulpit.

      • Tom

        “Instead they rely on human created doctrine or what they hear from the pulpit.” Kirk, that was refreshing. Where do you suppose humans get that doctrine? Is it for their own advancement…just thinking out loud.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Nowhere man,

      Thanks. I do think there are some boundaries and guidelines for us, but sometimes, we focus on the wrong ones…

  • http://blogforthelordjesus.wordpress.com Mike Gantt

    Jeremy,

    I commend your courage for going down this road. You are absolutely right about the uselessness of baptism and communion in our age.

    Protestants who get upset with you do not realize how much like Roman Catholics they are acting. That is, Protestants usually disdain Roman Catholic adherence to priests and sacraments. Consequently, those Protestants demonstrate themselves just as committed to the same things (it’s just pastors instead of priests and two sacraments instead of seven).

    Life is a sacrament when truly and fully lived for the Lord. Does the Lord want us to go swimming or give clean water to those without it? Does the Lord want us to eat crackera and drink grape juice or give food and drink to the poor?

    Baptism and communion are what Isaiah would condemned as “tradition learned by rote” (Is 29:13).

    Stay courageous for the Lord, Jeremy. He is worthy!

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Great point there in comparison, and with Isaiah 29:13. The prophets have a lot to say to us in these matters… which is partly why most churches ignore the prophets.

  • Greg D

    I view baptism and communion as an individual choice. If a person never partakes of the Lord’s Supper or is never baptized, but still believes in and professes faith in Jesus Christ, well I believe that person is still saved. But, as several folks have already pointed out, it is an act of obedience, not to mention a remembrance of what our Lord did on the cross for us. So, the bigger question remains… why would anyone want to exclude these two ordinances from our lives in the first place?

    • http://twitter.com/#!/ChuckMcKnight Chuck McKnight

      Well put, Greg. Still, I am interested in seeing where Jeremy is going with this.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      It is a choice.

      As the series progresses, you will see that I am all for people getting baptized and taking communion, if they understand the meaning and significance of what they are doing. If not, I still think there are things they can do today which symbolize the same significance.

      • mark brown

        “taking communion”? Was that a slip-up? I thought it would be “the Lord’s Supper” from that point on?

        It sure is hard to not slip into our first learned traditions, eh?

        I’m sure you’ll point out that the new-born assembly of saints went from house to house breaking bread together (fellowship meals for remembering our Lord)… which we have morphed into a formal rite. Not a bad thing necessarily, but don’t we love to build up our religiosity?

        *ding, ding, ding!* LOL

        • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

          Yep. Slip-up! Nice catch. Tradition is hard to break.

          I will try to mention that reference.

  • http://www.graceground.com Sam

    Happy Valentines Day to you, Wendy and the girls! – Sam

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      You too Sam! []

  • http://wcc.jburnett@gmail.com Josh Burnett

    I appreciate your creativity man. Not sure what made you think about this topic though. “Sacred cows” make great hamburger but I’m not convinced that “sacraments” are/should be on the chopping block.

    If you were going for shock value, you succeeded. The problem with shock value is that next time, you’re going to have to bigger next time.

    “What you win them with is what you win them to.”

    God bless man.

    • http://www.tillhecomes.org Jeremy Myers

      Josh,

      No, I wasn’t trying for shock value. Just trying to get people to think and ask the hard questions. If I succeed in that, I will have “won.”

    • http://blogforthelordjesus.wordpress.com Mike Gantt

      Josh Burnett,

      The goal is to win them to Christ, not to ourselves. Failure to appreciate this truth is the common characteristic of practically any church you would choose to visit this Sunday – regardless of where it might be mapped on a theological spectrum.

  • Robbyn Fisher

    Mike Gantt,

    To the Biblical image of Christ or to our own personal view of who Christ is?

    Josh Burnett,

    That is the only thing that has made any sense.

  • http://blogforthelordjesus.wordpress.com Mike Gantt

    Robbyn,

    Personal views of Christ can vary. The biblical portrayal of Christ, however, is true and lasting. It never changes. It is written.

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